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Fr05ty's attempt at divination: French Battleship Tech Tree!6/25/2017 1:49:47 PM
Published By: Fr05ty

Hello there! Welcome to a post where I decide to stop doing single ADLAs on ships and instead try my best at guessing what a tech-tree line might look like. The first instance of this was going to be the French Cruiser line, but Wargaming beat me to the punch, announcing them just 2 days before I was going to publish my article. Not going to let them do that again! Without further ado, here's my proposal for the French Battleships tech-tree line (I'll do another article with the premiums).

French Marine Nationale
 

Battleships

Flavour

French Battleships have several defining features that should make them stand out:

  • Smaller than average gun calibers at higher tiers
  • Outgun tiermates at low-mid tiers
  • Quadruple turrets
  • Poor shell ballistics at lower tiers but great shell ballistics at higher tiers
  • High muzzle velocities and heavy shells relative to the caliber
  • Good to great AA suites when upgraded (worse than USN)
  • Middling armour protection
  • Poor torpedo defense systems
  • Sub-par hitpoint pool

Tier

BB

Premium

2

Danton

3

Courbet

4

Bretagne

Lorraine

5

Normandie

Languedoc

6

Lyon / Strasbourg

Dunkerque

7

Marseille

Gascogne

8

Richelieu

Jean Bart

9

Alsace

10

Charlemagne

 

 

Tech-tree ships

Courbet class Battleship (T3)

The first dreadnought of the French Marine Nationale. The thinner armour belt than its contemporaries was due to size constraints, but she carried a more powerful main battery than many ships of such displacement. She was weakly protected against torpedoes, but carried thicker horizontal protection than other first generation dreadnoughts.

Figure 1 - Courbet class layout (1940) 
Survivability

Displacement: 23,475t standard; 25,579t full (38,565hp standard; 41,050hp full)

Armour: 270-180mm belt, 70mm turtleback, 290-250mm turrets, 280mm barbettes, 300mm conning tower, 40mm deck

Weaponry

Main Battery: 6x2 305mm/45 Mle 1910 guns

Reload: 34s (1.76rpm)

AP Shell: 432kg @783m/s (8200 damage)

HE Shell: 308kg @905m/s (4000 damage, 24% fire)

Traverse: ? degrees per second (?s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 22x1 138.6mm Mle 1910 guns

Reload: 10s (6rpm)

HE Shell: 31.5kg @840m/s (1900 damage, 8% fire)

AA Battery: 6x1 75mm/50 Mle. 1922 guns (10.2dps @3km), 6x2 13.2mm/76 CAD Mle. 1929 (21dps @1.2km), 2x1 13.2mm/76 Mle. 1929 (5dps @1.2km)

Mobility

Speed: 21kts - 28,000hp

Size: 166m long, 27m wide, 9.04m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard

Notes:

  • B hull is the modernized hull which:
    • Increases range
    • Improves accuracy (dispersion and/or sigma improvement)
    • Removes bow armour
  • Used short shells which would have poor ballistics
  • Historic ROF was 1.5-2
Analysis

The Courbet would be the healthiest T3 battleship and it would be tied for fastest. The armour for the Courbet is quite good and extensive, however it is not as thick as its tiermates and will most likely result in easier penetrations. The Courbet has almost no torpedo protection and is a rather powerful battleship in terms of its tier. Historically, the Courbet class had quite short ranges until they were modernized which gave them more range and better accuracy, but at the expense of the bow armour. The main issues that the Courbet could have is that the main battery has a low ROF and its handling is probably deficient. WG can probably balance the ROF, turret traverse, ship handling and accuracy to bring it in with the other tiermates without being overpowered, a reload of 40s reload sounds a bit too drastic, but 35s per volley might be enough.

 

Bretagne class Battleship (T4)

A development of the Courbet class and France’s super-dreadnought battleship, she had a very powerful main battery at the expense of a slightly weaker protection scheme. Were thoroughly modernized, but always remained deficient in speed and protection.

Figure 2 - Bretagne class layout 
Survivability

Displacement: 23,936t standard; 26,500t full (39,110hp standard; 42,140hp full)

Armour: 270mm belt, 340mm turrets, 170mm casemates, 314mm conning tower, 40mm deck

Weaponry

Main Battery: 5x2 340mm/45 Mle 1912 guns

Reload: 30s (2rpm)

AP Shell: 555kg @794m/s (9300 damage)

HE Shell: 382kg @885m/s (4400 damage, 27% fire)

Traverse: ? degrees per second (?s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 14x1 138.6mm Mle 1910 guns, 2x2 100mm/45 Mle 1930 DP guns

Reload: 10s (6rpm) / 4s (15rpm)

HE Shell: 31.5kg @840m/s (1900 damage, 8% fire) / 13.5kg @780m/s (1400 damage, 6% fire)

AA Battery: 2x2 100mm/45 Mle 1930 DP guns (13.6dps @5km), 4x1 75mm/50 Mle. 1922 guns (6.8dps @3km), 2x4 13.2mm/76 CAD Mle. 1929 (10dps @1.2km)

Mobility

Speed: 20kts - 29,000hp / 21.5kts - 43,000hp

Size: 166m long, 26.9m wide, 9.8m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard

Notes:

  • B hull is the modernized hull which:
    • Increases range
    • Improves accuracy (dispersion and/or sigma improvement)
    • Removes bow armour
    • Upgraded AP shells deal 9400 damage, 575kg@780m/s and have much better ballistics and penetration.
  • Used short shells which would have poor ballistics
Analysis

The Bretagne would have the strongest main battery at T4 as it has a combination of large caliber guns and a good number of guns. That is where the good news end as the Bretagne has a thin armour belt, a poor AA suite, a small hitpoint pool and she’s quite slow. It can’t be denied that there’s a very real possibility that the main battery the Bretagne carries would make it overpowered compared to its teammates, if that’s the case, a simple nerf to its rate of fire would be enough to keep it from being overpowered. In terms of DPM or even broadside alpha, the Wyoming is king; the DPM of the Kaiser is also better than the Bretagne’s and the alpha of the Nikolai is also larger than the Bretagne’s. All of those ships also have a better armour than the Bretagne while having similar speeds, however their penetration is going to be inferior. The Myogi has larger and more powerful guns, but it has fewer of them though he’s faster and can kite the Bretagne keeping it at range. It can fit at tier 4 if the reload speed is decreased to ensure it doesn’t steamroll over its tiermates.

 
 
Normandie class Battleship (T5)

An innovative design, it was the first battleship using quadruple turrets to be laid down. It underwent several design revisions throughout its lifetime that improved its protection scheme and speed.

Figure 3 - Normandie class layout 
Survivability

Displacement: 25,230t standard; 29,500?t full (40,640hp standard; 45,680hp full)

Armour: 300mm belt, 340mm turrets, 300mm conning tower

Weaponry

Main Battery: 3x4 340mm/45 Mle 1912 guns

Reload: 30s (2rpm)

AP Shell: 555kg @794m/s (9300 damage)

HE Shell: 382kg @885m/s (4400 damage, 27% fire)

Traverse: ? degrees per second (?s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 24x1 138.6mm Mle 1910 guns

Reload: 10s (6rpm)

HE Shell: 31.5kg @840m/s (1900 damage, 8% fire)

AA Battery: 6x1 47mm/50 Mle. 1902 guns

Mobility

Speed: 21kts - 32,000hp / 22kts - 45,000hp / 24kts - 80,000hp

Size: 176.6m long, 27m wide, 8.65m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard

Notes:

  • B hull is the modernized hull (1930ish) which:
    • Increases range
    • Improves accuracy (dispersion and/or sigma improvement)
    • Removes bow armour
    • Adds torpedo bulges
    • Upgraded AP shells deal 9400 damage, 575kg@780m/s and have much better ballistics and penetration.
    • Possible AA suite: -4x1 138.6mm M1910, -4x1 47mm, +8x1 75mm/50 M1922 (13.6dps @3km), +6x1 37mm/50 M1925 (9.6dps @3km), +2x4 13.2mm/76 (10dps @ 1.2km)
  • C hull (1935ish):
    • Upgraded AA suite (-4x1 138.6mm M1910, -8x1 75mm/50 M1922, -6x1 37mm/50 M1925, +4x2 100mm/45 M1931 (27.2dps @5km), +12x2 37mm/50 M1933 (27.6dps @3km), +4x2 13.2mm/76 (14dps @1.2km)
  • Used short shells which would have poor ballistics
Analysis

The Normandie has the potential to be a very punishing ship, both for whoever is captaining to whoever is downrange from its guns. The Normandie’s strengths compared to its tiermates relate mostly to the amount of guns that she carries, outnumbering the New York class’ main battery by an extra 2 guns although of a smaller caliber, and their placement. The Normandie’s main battery placement enables it to fight whilst retreating and still keep 8 of its guns on target with just a little wiggle of its aft which combined with its decent belt armour means that anybody downrange is likely to take a lot more punishment than they’re dishing out while they’re chasing you. The downside to this is obviously the fact that you only have a single turret forwards and thus chasing will not be the most effective with her, although you might find that showing your broadside for a second to be worthwhile to place those 12 guns on target. Further hindrances to the Normandie’s performance are its rather poor AA suite, subpar health pool, lacklustre underwater protection and middling speed, outpacing only the New York in a straight line. Overall, the Normandie is unlikely to make ripples at T5, being more akin to a much improved Myogi, but with a slower speed.

 
 
Lyon class Battleship (T6)

This battleship carried the largest number of main battery guns on a battleship. Its protection and main armament were good, however the limited size resulted in a small powerplant and slow speeds.

Figure 4 - Lyon class layout 
Survivability

Displacement: 29,000t standard (45,090hp standard)

Armour: 300mm belt, 340mm turrets, 300mm conning tower

Weaponry

Main Battery: 4x4 340mm/45 Mle 1912 guns

Reload: 30s (2rpm)

AP Shell: 555kg @794m/s (9300 damage)

HE Shell: 382kg @885m/s (4400 damage, 27% fire)

Traverse: ? degrees per second (?s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 24x1 138.6mm Mle 1910 guns

Reload: 10s (6rpm)

HE Shell: 31.5kg @840m/s (1900 damage, 8% fire)

AA Battery: 8x1 47mm/50 Mle. 1902 guns

Mobility

Speed: 23kts - 43,000hp

Size: 194.5m long, 29m wide, 9.2m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard

Notes:

  • Alternative hull is the modernized hull which:
    • Increases range
    • Improves accuracy (dispersion and/or sigma improvement)
    • Removes bow armour
    • Upgraded AP shells deal 9400 damage, 575kg@780m/s and have much better ballistics and penetration.
  • Used short shells which would have poor ballistics
  • Needs modernized AA suite:
    • -12x1 138.6mm M1910, +6x2 100mm/45 M1931 (40.8dps @5km), +16x2 37mm/50 M1933 (36.8dps @3km), +6x4 13.2mm/76 (30dps @1.2km), +4x2 13.2mm/76 (14dps @1.2km)
Analysis

The Lyon takes over the mantle of the Normandie and is almost a repeat of it a tier higher, with a few very important differences. The biggest differences are related to its main battery, an additional turret is present compared to the Normandie which brings the total of main battery guns to an unprecedented 16 and the rearmost turrets are now superfiring. These changes try to make up for a slew of other issues that the Lyon has, expecting that overwhelming firepower can cover up the fact that it has a smaller hitpoint pool than any of its tiermates and is either slower or more weakly armoured than any of its tiermates. The virtue of the Lyon will forever lie on its captain and the use of her 16 barrels, these are the same guns that French battleships use since tier 4 so expect similar performances, albeit now their use in a full broadside will have to be analysed so as to not overexpose your citadel to the return blow. The Lyon will have the most powerful DPM in its matchmaking spread even if its shells do not seem so powerful or punchy anymore, the massive amount of shells she can output in a single volley can make the return volley non-existent and might even help to correct for slight errors when aiming. As is the case with all designs prior to the 1920s, the Lyon leaves a lot to be desired in its anti-air complement, speed and underwater protection. The Lyon is a glass cannon, deadly and fragile and should make for a great ally and enemy at tier 6.

 
 

Strasbourg Battleship (T6)

Figure 5 - Strasbourg's layout after a fictional refit in the USA 
Survivability

Displacement: 27,300t standard; 36,280t full (43,085hp standard; 53,690hp full)

Armour: 283mm belt, 360-160mm turrets, 270mm conning tower, 137-117mm deck, 50-30mm torpedo bulkheads

Weaponry

Main Battery: 2x4 330mm/52 St Chamond Mle 1932 guns

Reload: 30s (2rpm)

AP Shell: 560kg @870m/s (9700 damage)

HE Shell: 552kg @885m/s (4800 damage, 35% fire)

Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 3x4 130mm/45 Mle 1932 guns, 2x2 130mm/45 Mle 1932 guns

Reload: 5s (12rpm)

HE Shell: 29.5kg @840m/s (1900 damage, 9% fire)

AA Battery: 3x4 130mm/45 Mle 1932 DP guns (36.6dps @5.2km), 2x2 130mm/45 Mle 1932 DP guns (17dps @5.2km), 4x2 37mm/50 CAD Mle 1933 (9.2dps @3km), 6x4 13.2mm/76 CAQ Mle 1929 (30dps @1.2km), 3x1 13.2mm/76 Mle 1929 (7.5dps @1.2km)

Mobility

Speed: 29kts - 107,500hp

Size: 215.5m long, 31.1m wide, 9.8m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard + 3 Seaplanes

Notes:

  • Differences with the Dunkerque:
    • Worse handling
    • Worse accuracy
    • Slower speed (slightly)
    • Slower reload
    • Better armour
  • B hull is the fictional hull of a US refit:
    • No Seaplanes
    • AA suite changes:
      • Retains the 130mm DP guns
      • Replaces 37mm guns with 10x2 40mm/56 Bofors Mk1 (113dps @3.5km)
      • Replaces the 13.2mm guns with 29x1 20mm/70 Mk4 (104.4dps @2km)
Analysis

The Strasbourg’s presence at tier 6 is very easy as her sister ship is already in-game, the Dunkerque. The Strasbourg could be an alternative for the tier 6 battleship line, however it would need some changes to make it sufficiently different from its premium ship sister. The Strasbourg is heavier, better armoured and if it were to make it into the tech-tree, then it’d most definitely have a better anti-air complement with a ficticious refit than the Dunkerque. My proposal for differentiating both of these ships is that the Strasbourg should have better armour, a larger hitpoint pool, and USN-based refit like the French vessels got in the latter stages of the war while having poorer handling (turning radius and rudder shift time), slower speed (0.5kts), slower reloading guns (30s instead of 28s) and a slight loss in accuracy (sigma of 1.5 or 1.6 instead of the Dunkerque’s 1.7).

As a side note, I know that the Dunkerque and its gameplay is kinda complicated to grasp due to its weapons all being on the front and as such, I would rather place the Lyon at tier 6 which might be more user-friendly in its gun disposition and spare the players from the such a gun arrangement until the Richelieu at tier 8. On the other hand, the Strasbourg would make a transition to the tier 7 battleship seem more natural.

 
 
Marseille class Battlecruiser (T7)

A battlecruiser designed to hunt heavy cruisers, it was nearly unmatched in terms of speed and weaponry. It carried a smaller caliber main battery than its contemporaries, but with a larger amount of guns to compensate for it.

Figure 6 - Marseille class layout as proposed in 1928 
Survivability

Displacement: 37,000t standard; 42,050?t full (54,540hp standard, 60,505hp full)

Armour: 280-220mm belt, 40+25mm turtleback, 75+15mm deck, 50mm torpedo bulkhead

Weaponry

Main Battery: 3x4 305mm/55 Mle. 1928 guns OR 3x4 330mm/52 St. Chamond Mle. 1932 guns

Reload: 24s (2.5rpm) / 28s (2.14rpm)

AP Shell: 432kg @885m/s (8700 damage) / 560kg @870m/s (9700 damage)

HE Shell: 308kg @1020m/s (4000 damage, 24% fire) / 552kg @885m/s (4800 damage, 35% fire)

Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 3x4 130mm/45 Mle. 1931 DP guns, 8x1 90mm Mle. 1926 DP guns

Reload: 5s (12rpm) / 4s (15rpm)

HE Shell: 29.5kg @840m/s (1900 damage, 9% fire) / 9.51kg @850m/s (1300 damage, 5% fire)

Torpedo Battery: 2x3 550mm torpedoes

Model: 550mm 23DT Toulon

Warhead: 310kg (14833 damage, 246% flooding)

Speed: 60kts @9km

AA Battery: 3x4 130mm/45 Mle. 1931 DP guns (36.6dps @5.2km), 8x1 90mm/50 Mle. 1926 DP guns (21.6dps @4km), 12x1 37mm/50 Mle. 1925 AA guns (19.2dps @3km)

Mobility

Speed: 33kts - 180,000hp

Size: 254m long, 30.5m wide, ?m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard + 6 Seaplanes (4 in hangar + 2 on catapults)

Notes:

  • Full load displacement is just a guess
  • 305mm/55 guns are improved 305mm/45 M1910 with better MV, ballistics and ROF
  • Option to change 305mm/55 with 330mm/52 guns (ahistorical as the 330mm guns hadn't been designed when this ship's design was being discussed)
  • Needs modernization suite with improved AA:
    • -8x1 90mm M1926, -12x1 37mm M1925, +4x2 100mm/45 M1931 (27.2dps @5km), +8x2 37mm/70 ACAD M1936 (98.4dps @3.5km), +4x4 13.2mm/76 (20dps @1.2km)
  • Croisseur de Bataille 37000t Design A
Analysis 

The Marseille is one of my favourite ships in this tech tree. The precursor and missing link between the super-dreadnoughts of the first world war and the fast battleships of the Dunkerque class, the Marseille brings all the good elements of the French battleships to the fore. Fast, sporting many guns and carrying torpedoes for good measure, it would seem like the Marseille is the French equivalent of the Scharnhorst class. The biggest selling points for this ship are its combination of speed with numerous and fast-reloading guns, along with a decent armour scheme incorporating a turtleback which should ensure that a single salvo at close range won’t see you head back to port immediately. Overall, the Marseille is a rather well balanced prototype of a fast battleship, featuring light but decent armour, great speed, a solid main battery of 12 smaller caliber but high velocity guns, a workable secondary battery and torpedoes as a cherry on top. The Marseille’s only issues are going to be its great size and its AA battery, which even when improved is going to be lacking in punch, leaving you vulnerable to airplanes.

 
 
Richelieu class Battleship (T8)
A fast battleship designed to counter its German and Italian counterparts, this class was one of the most distinguishable French designs. It was heavily armed and armored, featuring a novel underwater protection system. 

Figure 7 - Richelieu class layout after the refit in the USA 
Survivability

Displacement: 35,000t standard; 48,500t full (52,180hp standard; 68,125hp full)

Armour: 330mm belt, 430-140mm turrets, 260mm conning tower, 150mm deck

Weaponry

Main Battery: 2x4 380mm/45 Mle 1935 guns

Reload: 27s (2.2rpm)

AP Shell: 890kg @830m/s (12000 damage)

HE Shell: 884kg @800m/s (5800 damage, 42% fire)

Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 3x3 152mm/55 Mle 1936 guns, 6x2 100mm/45 Mle 1931 guns, 90mm/50 Mle 1926 guns

Reload: 9.2s (6.5rpm) / 4s (15rpm) / 4s (15rpm)

HE Shell: 55kg @870m/s (2200 damage, 12% fire) / 13.5kg @780m/s (1400 damage, 6% fire) / 9.51kg @850m/s (1300 damage, 5% fire)

AA Battery: 3x3 152mm/55 Mle 1936 DP guns (~25 @5km), 6x2 100mm/45 Mle 1931 DP guns (40.8dps @5km), 4x1 90mm/50 Mle 1926 DP guns (10.8dps @4km), 8x2 37mm/50 Mle 1933 (18.4dps @3km), 5x4 13.2mm/76 Mle 1929 (25dps @1.2km), 2x2 13.2mm/76 CAD Mle 1929 (7dps @1.2km), 3x1 13.2mm/76 Mle 1929 (7.5dps @1.2km)

Mobility

Speed: 30kts - 150,000hp

Size: 247.9m long, 33m wide, 9.6m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard + 3 Seaplanes

Notes:

  • B Hull is USN refit:
    • No Seaplanes
    • Uses USN ammo:
      • AP: 885kg @800m/s (11800 damage)
      • HE: 879kg @632m/s (5800 damage, 42% fire)
    • Removal of all AA guns except 152mm and 100mm
    • Addition of:
      • 14x4 40mm/56 Bofors Mk2 (222.6dps @3.5km)
      • 11x1 40mm/56 Bofors Mk1 (83.6dps @3.5km)
      • 41x1 20mm/70 Mk4 (147.6dps @2km)
Analysis

One of the most famous ships of the French Navy, the Richelieu class. The Richelieu class is at first look an enlarged and improved Dunkerque class, and it isn’t a bad comparison. The Richelieu is not as fast as the Dunkerque was at its tier, but its 380mm guns pack a very meaty punch and their bow placement means that you can point your bow at an enemy to tank their shots without losing any of your firepower. If you thought that the North Carolina was a worthy foe when it was bow on to you, the Richelieu features thicker armour, a very good anti-air suite, faster speed and more comfortable gunnery at the obvious cost of having fewer guns, although they are better placed to direct their fire forwards. A key weakness of the Richelieu is its lack of firepower to its rear which means that if encircled, only your secondaries will be able to assist you, luckily those secondaries are quite good and should scare off most destroyers. The Richelieu is likely to be used as a barricade ship, with it positioning in a manner where it denies large parts of the map in corridors while its team flanks the enemy fleet. It is a difficult ship to come to grasp to due to its turret placement, though it will reward you enormously if you use it right.

 
 
Alsace class Battleship (T9)
A powerful vessel which matched favourably to its contemporaries. It combined the best of French shipbuilding practices with the modern ideas to create a balanced and fearsome ship. All work on this ship was halted with the German invasion.

Figure 8 - B hull layout of Alsace 
Survivability

Displacement: 45,714t Washington; 56,000t full (64,835hp standard; 76,985hp full)

Armour: 360-320mm belt, 430-140mm turrets, 260mm conning tower, 170-150mm deck

Weaponry

Main Battery: 3x4 380mm/45 Mle 1936 guns OR 3x3 406mm guns

Reload: 28s (2.14)

AP Shell: 890kg @785m/s (11700 damage)

HE Shell: 879kg @632m/s (5800 damage, 42% fire)

Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees)

Secondary Battery: 3x3 152mm/55 Mle 1936 guns, 12x2 100mm/55 CAD Mle 1945 guns

Reload: 9.2s (6.5) / 3s (20)

HE Shell: 55kg @870m/s (2200 damage, 12% fire) / 13.32kg @855m/s (1400 damage, 5% fire)

AA Battery: 3x3 152mm/55 Mle 1936 DP guns (~25 @5km), 12x2 100mm/55 CAD Mle 1945 DP guns (177.6dps @5km), 8x2 37mm/50 Mle 1933 (18.4dps @3km), 5x4 13.2mm/76 Mle 1929 (25dps @1.2km), 2x2 13.2mm/76 CAD Mle 1929 (7dps @1.2km), 4x1 13.2mm/76 Mle 1929 (10dps @1.2km)

Mobility

Speed: 31.5kts - 220,000hp

Size: 265m long, 35m wide, 9.2m deep

Consumables

Consumables: Standard + 4 Seaplanes

Notes:

  • B Hull would be a similar refit to USN refits:
    • No Seaplanes
    • Uses USN ammo:
      • AP: 885kg @800m/s (11800 damage)
      • HE: 879kg @632m/s (5800 damage, 42% fire)
    • Removal of all AA except for 152mm and 100mm guns
    • Addition of 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons
  • 152mm secondaries probably use AP for balance
  • Sigma: 1.5 (380s) / 1.8 (406s)
  • Doubts about secondaries:
    • 4x3 155mm & 8x2 100mm
    • 3x3 155mm & 12x2 100mm
    • Are the 100mm the 100mm/55 Mle 1945 or the 100mm/45 Mle 1937
  • Also doubts about AA:
    • It seems to have mounted quad 25mm Hotchkiss guns & 37mm guns
Analysis

The Alsace has the potential to be a beast like no other, whereas nothing would seem out of place with its three turrets or their placement, there are crucial differences. The Alsace can choose between two different guns, the 15” guns you tried in the Richelieu or a new type of 16” gun. If you choose the 16” guns, you’ll have a main battery that any other tier 9 battleship would recognize with 3 of these guns in each turret. If you choose the 15” guns, then you’ll be mounting a slightly smaller caliber gun which means that the amount of targets you can overmatch is reduced, the damage per gun and penetration fall off, but you’ll be mounting 4 of these guns per turret. The Alsace is defined by its capability to inflict massive amounts of damage per minute courtesy of its 12 guns combined with a very decent secondary battery, a great armoured belt and a good speed. It goes without saying that the Alsace would however have its set of flaws such as its massive size, relatively poor penetration and poor sigma values as well as whatever other flaws Wargaming decides upon, such as poor turning circle, rudder shift time or gun arcs. I’d seriously expect the Alsace to be one of the most sought after ships in-game thanks to all her features, and if she gets a fictional AA refit like most French Navy ships did in the US during the war, her AA won’t be a slouch either. A solid tier 9 contender and possibly one of the best tier 9 ships in the game.

Figure 9 - A hull layout of Alsace
 
 
 
Aquitaine / Charlemagne class Battleship (T10)

This is most likely something for Wargaming to create based on French battleship philosophy. Most likely an enlarged (or super) Alsace design with 406mm guns replacing the 380mm ones of the Alsace and improved armour. A main battery of 3x4 406mm guns (the ones from the previous tier) or 3x3 450mm guns is likely.

For reference, the 450mm gun that was created in the 1920s had the following features which made them very scary: 

450mm/45 Mle 1920 guns (1366kg @875m/s, penetration: 500mm@10km, 344mm@20km, 15,100 AP damage)

 
A possible take on how a fictional Tier 10 would look by Sventex from the NA forums:
 
 
So what do you think? Would you be happy with these battleships coming into the game? Would you change the line to put in other ships instead of the ones I chose? Let me know through the forums or Reddit!
 
PS: Special thanks to Garclicdesign and the guys at shipbucket for making all the amazing line art that I've used here, definitely go check their other work as it's beautifully done and very complete. 
 
PS2: The tier 7 battleship is the 37000t Croisseur da Bataille design A, I've named it Marseille due to it seeming classier (and less of a pain to write). 
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Published by Fr05ty 3 months ago /Tech-Tree Proposal: French Battleships (Premiums)
Welcome to a new pet project of mine, tech tree proposals. What I attempt to do in these articles is that I try to make a coherent and clear proposal as to what I think we can expect from Wargaming if they ever make such a tech-tree line. Might even work as a proposal for Wargaming to put something in (in the unlikely case that they haven't mapped all this)...
This article will touch only on the premium ships, the tech-tree ships came on an earlier article. For each ship, I provide the layout of how the ship's weaponry is distributed, its technical specifications and with the same formulas I used for the ADLA articles, their in-game values. Finally, I provide a small piece of analysis of what I think about the ship and how it'd fit with its tiermates. Essentially, each of the ships gets a mini-ADLA with all the information you might be looking for to compare it to its tiermates that are already in-game. Let's hope we see these ships in the virtual seas soon!
Published by Fr05ty 6 months ago /A Detailed Look At: HNLMS Karel Doorman (QH1)
The Karel Doorman was the first aircraft carrier possessed by the Dutch Koninklijke Marine. Built as an escort carrier from a merchant ship under construction in Scotland, the Karel Doorman was first known as the HMS Nairana of the British Royal Navy and escorted convoys from the Mediterranean to the Arctic with great success. Inducted into the Dutch Royal Navy after the war, she was returned to the Royal Navy after a couple of years and finally ended as a merchant ship.
 
Throughout this article I look at how the Karel Doorman could make its way into the game, carefully analysing every aspect of it and talking of its short history in action. The Karel Doorman was the first vessel of its kind in service of the Dutch people, worthy of its inclusion as a mighty vessel in the service of one of the most storied and under-represented navies in the world.
Published by Fr05ty 9 months ago /Battlecruiser Wednesdays: Design 1047
Welcome to the tenth article from our Battlecruiser Wednesdays cycle! We'll be taking a look at a different battlecruiser design each Wednesday and analysing how it could be implemented in-game by using our familiar "A Detailed Look At" format.
This week: I'll be taking a look at the one of the proposed battlecruisers for the Dutch Koninklijke Marine, the Design 1047 which I've dubbed the De Zeven Provincien. This design was the Dutch response to Imperial Japanese expansionist ambitions, and to protect the Dutch East Indies which were vital due to their resources. The design was done with the assistance of the Germans, and a tiny bit from the Italians, which resulted in what might affectionately be called the Scharnhorst's Dutch cousin. A design created to hunt Imperial Japanese cruisers with impunity, the 1047 design is a thoroughbred battlecruiser which would have represented the pinnacle of Dutch naval ambitions. It was not meant to be, as all work on these ships was halted with the German invasion of the Netherlands and yet again, the Dutch's attempt at making their own capital ship ended with the outbreak of a World War.
Step inside, read the article to see just how the De Zeven Provincien would stack up in-game and let us know what you think of this class making its way into the game!
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