New Russian Destroyers - What we now know

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New Russian Destroyers - What we now know

Postby Istvan56 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:56 am

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On September 23, 2015 World of Warships announced the addition of Russian Destroyers on October 19, 2015. The video and photo gallery only showed at most four classes of ships and gave us details only on one class, the Tier VII Kiev class (aka Tashkent class). From the gallery I was able to identify the four classes and from that we can place them in their tiers. The rest is speculation and we'll have to wait and see when they release the full tree.

Tier V Gnevny class
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This Gnevny class destroyer is the Gremyashchy, its name is on the bow , Гремящий means "Thunderous."

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We already have the premium version of this Project 7 class in game. The standard version will have similar stats but will likely be up-gradable with a better AA suite. The Gnevny class was based on the Italian Navy's successful Maestrale class destroyer. Gnevny Гневный means "Angry" and each of the 30 ships is named for an adjective that begins with a Cyrillic letter denoting which fleet it was built for so Бодрый or Bodry meaning "Brisk" was the lead destroyer for the Black Sea Fleet. Gnevny Гневный was both the class lead ship and the lead ship for the Baltic Fleet group. Rezvyy Резвый or "Frisky" was the lead ship of the Pacific Fleet group.

Built: 1935-42
In service: 1938-90
Planned: 36
Completed: 30
Cancelled: 6
General characteristics
Type: destroyer
Displacement: 1,612 tonnes (1,587 long tons; 1,777 short tons) (standard)
2,039 tonnes (2,007 long tons; 2,248 short tons) (full load)
Length: 112.8 m (370 ft 1 in)
Beam: 10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Draught: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
Propulsion: 2-shaft GTZA-24 geared steam turbines
3 watertube boilers
50,500 shp (37,700 kW) (trials)
Speed: 39.37 knots (72.91 km/h; 45.31 mph) (trials)
Endurance: 2,640 nmi (4,890 km) at 19.83 knots (37 km/h)
Complement: 197 (236 wartime)
Sensors and processing systems: Arktur hydrophone
Armament: 4 × 1 - 130 mm (5.1 in) B-13 guns
2 × 1 - 76.2 mm (3.00 in) 34-K AA guns
2 × 1 - 45 mm (1.8 in) 21-K AA guns
2 × 1 - 12.7 mm (0.50 in) DK or DShK machine guns
3 × 2 - 533 mm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes
60-95 mines
25 depth charges

Tier VI Soobrazitelnyy (or Soobrazitel'ny) class
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Stalin felt the single engine room design of the Gnveny class was a vulnerability and so ordered the Project 7bis or (Type 7U) redesign of the destroyer. The Soobrazitel'ny class were not lengthened so the two engines and boilers were crammed into separate compartments. If one was knocked out the second could keep the ship moving. Two boiler rooms meant two funnels, the easiest way to identify a Soobrazitel'ny) class from a Gnevny class. The Soviet Navy, in particular the sailors who served aboard them, didn't like the cramped quarters aboard the Project 7bis ships.

As you can see by the center picture of the destroyer Storozhevoy some of the Soobrazitelnyy class were upgraded by mid-war. The two bow hand-cranked open 130 mm gun mounts were replaced by a single twin 130mm B-2LM turret, an improvement the forward gun crews appreciated in rough seas and especially in the cold of the Arctic convoy runs. However, the B-2LM turret had the same problem that the B-13 single mount had, a limited elevation of 45 degrees meaning it could not be employed as a dual-purpose gun. The superstructure was enlarged increasing crew space (also appreciated) and armor protection. Finally the AA suite was slightly upgraded. Lend-Lease radar and sonar were also fitted to the destroyers.

Built: 1936—42
In service: 1940—63
Completed: 18
Lost: 9
Retired: 9
General characteristics
Displacement: 1,727 tonnes (1,700 long tons; 1,904 short tons) (standard)
2,279 tonnes (2,243 long tons; 2,512 short tons) (full load)
Length: 112.5 m (369 ft 1 in)
Beam: 10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Draught: 3.98 m (13 ft 1 in)
Propulsion: 2-shaft GTZA-24 geared steam turbines
4 watertube boilers
60,000 shp (44,740 kW) (trials)
Speed: 40.28 knots (74.60 km/h; 46.35 mph) (trials)
Endurance: 1,490 nmi (2,760 km) at 19 knots (35 km/h)
Complement: 207 (271 wartime)
Sensors and processing systems: Arktur hydrophone
Armament: 4 × 1 - 130 mm (5.1 in) B-13 guns
2 × 1 - 76.2 mm (3.00 in) 34-K AA guns
3 × 1 - 45 mm (1.8 in) 21-K AA guns
4 × 1 - 12.7 mm (0.50 in) DK or DShK machine guns
3 × 2 - 533 mm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes
58-96 mines
30 depth charges

Tier VII Kiev (or Tashkent) class
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The Kiev class was another design purchased by the Russians from the Italians based upon another successful ship class, the Capitani Romani class of light cruisers or destroyer leaders. The first ship was built in Italy under the guise of Project 20 and named Tashkent. He was sent to the Black Sea Fleet. Tashkent's design was strengthened for Baltic and North Atlantic Sea duty as the Project 48 class to be built in the Soviet Union. Four of a planned ten Kiev class destroyer leaders were laid down but none were completed due to the war.

The Tashkent himself was nicknamed the "Blue Cruiser" by the Baltic Fleet sailors. Tashkent was captained by Captain 3rd Rank (later Captain 2nd Rank) V.N. Eroshenko. In his memoirs Captain Eroshenko stated that: "The leader Tashkent steamed 27 000 miles, escorted without loss of 17 transports, carried 19 300 people, 2 538 tons of ammunition, food and other goods into Sevastopol. Held 100 live main caliber bombardments silenced 6 batteries and damaged one airfield. Shot down and damaged 13 enemy aircraft. Sank a torpedo boat." The Tashkent was attacked by Stuka dive bombers on June 28, 1942 and was fatally damaged. He managed to make it to port where it finally sank. The turrets were salvaged and used to equip the first of the next generation of destroyers, the Ognevoi.
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If you want to read more about the Tashkent I recommend going here. Use Google Translate if you do not read Russian.
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Kiev Class destroyer leader
Built: 1937-41
In service: 1939-1942
Planned: 10
Completed: 1
Lost: 1
Preserved: 0
General characteristics
Displacement: 2893 tons standard, 3200 tons full load
Length: 139.7 m
Beam: 13.7 m
Draught: 3.7 m
Installed power: 110,000 SHP
Propulsion: 2 shaft geared turbines, 4 Yarrow type boilers 130,000 hp
Speed: 43.5 knots
Range: 4000 nm at 20 knots
Complement: 250
Armament:
6 - 130mm guns (3 B-2LM twin turrets)
2 - 76 mm AA guns (after August 1941),
6 - 37 mm anti-aircraft guns
6 - 12.7mm Machine guns
6 - 533 mm torpedo tubes (2x3) for Tashkent, Kiev class is shown upgraded to (2 x 5) quintuple mounts.
80 mines
Depth Charges

Tier VIII Ognevoy (or Ognevoi) class
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Project 30 aka Ognyevoi class DD

The Soviet Navy was not satisfied with the performance and layout of the Project 7 and 7bis classes so a new design was developed designated Project 30. They retained the double engine room layout of the Project 7bis destroyers but increased crew space and comfort. The first of these new destroyers was the Ognyevoy which, as mentioned, was equipped with the salvaged B-2LM turrets from the wreck of the Tashkent. Only a few were completed due to the war. However, the ships were so successful that with minor variations they went on to be the post-war Project 30K (K for "corrected") and then the Project 30bis known as the Skoryy class.
Ognevoi) class destroyer
Built: 1938-48
In service: 1944-1960
Planned: 24
Completed: 11
Cancelled: 13
General characteristics
Displacement: 2240 tons standard, 2950 tons full load
Length: 117 m
Beam: 11.6 m
Draught: 4.2 m
Propulsion: 2 shaft geared turbines, 3 boilers 60,000 hp
Speed: 37 knots
Range: 1700nm at 16 knots
Complement: 250
Armament: 4 - 130 mm guns (2 B-2LM twin turrets)
2 × 85 mm guns
6 x 37mm AA guns
8 × 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
80 mines
Depth Charges
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Re: New Russian Destroyers - What we now know

Postby Istvan56 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:11 am

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Picture courtesy of alldrawings.ru, Karl Marx (ex-Izyaslav) in 1939 before (bottom) after modernization (top).

The announcement of the Russian destroyers on the Asian Server's Japanese Forum by WG staff member Ladygrey_JP let slip another class of destroyers, the Izyaslav class of 1915, the third group of destroyers based upon the famous Imperial Russian destroyer Novik, which should be a premium Tier III ship in the game. The Izyaslav class, like the Orfey class were larger than Novik and his other two sub-classes since they were built for the Baltic Fleet. The Izyaslav class is an excellent candidate as a Tier III destroyer with the Leningrad class destroyer leaders as Tier IV candidates.

From www.navypedia.org
"Project of Izyaslav class was developed by [Estonian company] Lang and Sons with the help of [French company] Augustin Normand, differed in the increased dimensions, demanded by installation of the fifth boiler, and strengthened armament (in an ultimate variant 5 102mm guns and 3 triple TTs). They were equipped with Brown-Boveri-Parsons turbines and Normand boilers. Unlike a prototype they had vertical side frames, an lengthened forecastle and anti-list tanks. More efficient and reliable turbines constructed under British licence or bought abroad have been besides and boilers with increased steam output were fitted. For raise of battle damage tolerance were all auxiliary systems were doubled.

There were five ships of the Izyaslav sub-class, of which one was captured by the British during the Allied Intervention in Russia, sold to Estonia who used it until 1933 when they sold it to Peru. It remained in service in the Peruvian Navy until it was scrapped in 1954. Of the other four, two were never completed while the last two were renamed when they entered service in the Soviet Navy. They became the Karl Marx (ex-Izyyaslav) and Kalinin (ex-Prymyslav). Both were lost during the early stages of WW-II in combat.

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Picture courtesty of http://www.navypedia.org, Izyaslav class as in WW-I
Name: Izyaslav class
Builders: Bocker and Lange, Reval, Estonia
Type: Destroyer
Displacement: 1,350 long tons (1,370 t) standard
1,440 long tons (1,460 t) full load
Length: 99.1 m (325 ft 2 in)
Beam: 9.4 m (30 ft 10 in)
Draught: 3.0 m (9 ft 10 in)
Propulsion: 2 shaft Brown Boverei turbines
5 boilers 19,000 kW (25,500 hp)
Speed: 33 knots (61 km/h; 38 mph)
Complement: 150
Armament: • 5 × 100 mm (4 in) guns
• 2 × machine guns
• 9 × 457 mm (18 in) torpedo tubes, (3×3)
• 80 mines

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Picture courtesty of http://www.navypedia.org, Izyaslav class as in WW-II
In 1920s-1930s all ships have passed modernizations, thus Kalinin, Karl Marx were converted to division leaders. Both ships lost 1 triple torpedo tube launcher and 20 mine stowage capacity to add an AA platform aft where a single Model 21-K 45mm/46 caliber gun and two 12.7mm heavy machine guns were placed. Also the ships finally were given depth charge racks for anti-submarine warfare.
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Re: New Russian Destroyers - What we now know

Postby Istvan56 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:46 pm

Well, I was blown away with tech tree release to see the Izyaslav class is Tier IV and that Tashkent is Tier VIII after the Kiev Class rather than included in it. Furthermore, the Project 7bis class (Type 7U) are not even in the tree.
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